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NBA Playoffs 2013; Predictions
Topic Started: Apr 19 2013, 05:56 PM (13,549 Views)
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Jul 15 2013, 06:47 PM
I love listening to Houston sports radio. It might be the only place left that actually thinks Harden is a super star.

Harden vs PG: 84 mins 11-43 6-17 11-14 39 points

Against disciplined defenders, he's nothing special. His PER gets inflated by the FTA which makes his FG% even worse when you take into account that shooting fouls do not result in a missed FGA in the box score. Also, he plays zero defense so no bonus points there.

I'm not sure that the Rockets next year are better than a healthy Lakers from last season. Harden's best season still was not close to Kobe's average to below average season last year. The Rockets are getting the same banged up Howard who will have worked with the following big men since entering the league: Hakeem, Ewing, and Kareem. Yet, he still has the same holes in his game that he had when he was with the Magic.
Meh. I'm certainly not convinced but I am still very excited for Harden and Curry to make that push to being a superstar.

I don't see how you can say he's nothing special...he's probably the best foul drawing guard of all time right now based on FTR. On top of that literally everyone who has doubted him has said that he wouldn't draw fouls in the playoffs, yet somehow he increased his FTR compared to his RS.

On PER, it's funny you say that because PER penalizes him a bit because he doesn't take much raw FGA...which Kobe gets a boost from on PER because PER rewards volume shooters.

in response to him playing against Indiana, not really concerned. James was run ragged by last 4 months of the season battling random injuries, and I'd look to see a decent increase in FG% considering it was his first year with no training camp.
What? If you're banged up and blaming injuries in the middle of the regular season, what happens when you want to make a deep postseason run? Holy excuses batman. Your special max player breaks down in early March? I guess Dwight is a good fit in Houston then.

Also not sure you know how PER works, but I'm not going to argue a stat that is misleading in comparing players. Two ends of the floor, Harden plays one, the one that factors into PER.

I've watched Harden enough at ASU/OKC/HOU to know that he's good, but he's not a top 5-10 player and I don't see how a player can be special if he's not in that group.



What? I was telling you that he was banged up from playing on nagging injuries. That's not an excuse, it's what happened. It happens to a lot of players. You are extrapolating way to much from what I said.

Nice cop out about PER by the way. I don't see how you think I misunderstand the stat when all I said of importance to the stat was that it rewards volume shooters, which is absolutely true.

I'd be interested to see your top 10 along with your reasoning then, for me James was just outside the top 5.

If it's because of his defense, I'd love to hear your arguments about not having a guy who is elite as hell at the pick and roll, and according to RAPM, only a -0.1 on defense and +6 on offense..higher than Durant, Westbrook, Curry, Carmelo, Kobe, etc. The only people better than him on offense? Chris Paul and LeBron James. That's pretty damn elite company. Stars worse than him on defense? Kobe, Carmelo, Deron, Kyrie. You'll notice the worse on defense list consists of some second tier stars, but the difference is that they weren't such a positive impact on offense.

(Side note: The Rockets were already better than a healthy Lakers team last year without Dwight)
Everyone* plays with injuries. Honestly, it's the nagging ones that are more of a concern going forward anyways so my original point still stands. If you're getting worn down in February, "Houston, we have a problem"

Who is in your 6-10 if Harden just barely missed the top 5? And defensive stats are pretty worthless when most guys like Harden guard the weaker of the wings/guards to prevent foul trouble/fatigue. I'd venture to guess that Paul George does not have amazing "Defensive stats" because he guards guys like Melo, Durant, LBJ, etc. for the entire game while being a focus on offense. I'd love to see Harden lock up someone like Westbrook, Kobe, Wade, etc. for a whole game (holding them below their averages while still posting similar offensive numbers) but we haven't seen that...and we won't. Funny you mentioned Kobe and Melo, one has always guarded the opponent's best player until the last season or so due to injuries and the other plays out of position on the defensive end because of the Knicks style of play. Melo being forced to guard guys like Aldridge and David West is like Harden guarding Durant or Melo.


If I had to throw out a top 10, it would start with James, KD, CP3, Melo, Rose, Kobe, Westbrook, Dwight...just so we're clear we're using your assumption that injuries happen to everyone...and then you have a large batch of players like Harden, Kyrie, George, Tony Parker, Duncan (I can't comfortably put him in the top 10 when you have the imminent drop off coming), Wade, Curry, Aldridge etc. You can be a homer and put Harden at the front of that pack or be reasonable and not be surprised why he would be in the middle or towards the back.

After next season, you will have even more players in that batch. Guys like Wall, Drummond, Valanciunas, Lillard, Davis, and co. are going to be entering that tier. You have guys like Curry, George, and Kyrie that might enter that top tier. With the number of players of similar caliber to Harden, he's not anything special IMO.



Also, a moment of silence for the Detroit Pistons for the addition of Brandon Jennings...
It wasn't so much that he was worn down (well it was), the bigger problem was that he didn't rest to get healthy, and that effected him a bit.

1. LeBron
2. Durant (I flip flop here between the two, but Durant clearly had the better season between him and Paul)
3. Paul
After this it gets a little muggier. There isn't a whole lot of separation after this, so you could almost have them in any order.
4. Wade (probably be willing to drop him a few slots for that awful playoff run but his impact on Miami's RS is unquestionable)
5. Tony Parker
6. Curry (his last 35 games (inc playoffs) were incredible)
7. Harden
8. Kobe
9. Westbrook
10. Carmelo

After that you have players like Duncan, KG, Marc Gasol, injured Howard, and a few other players hanging out.

in regards to PG, he does though. He sports a ridiculously impressive 3.8 on defense in vanilla RAPM, and 3.1 in xRAPM.

your top 10 is quite similar to mine besides 1-2 players.


Why is erosion and grenade saying '' that list '' ?


I know I don't watch basketball as much as I do other sports but I don't get whats so wrong with my list and remedy basically has the same top 10 as I do.
i was under the impression it was in order lol.

relook at it as if it were supposed to be in order and, "that list.."
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brandon knight resurrected from his death last year
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1 Lebitch (hate him as a person gotta respect his game)
2 KD (dudes a freak)
3 Rose (pre injury mvp)
4 Kobe (one of the goats)
5 Paul (best pure pg in the game)
6 DWade (hard time putting him on this list, hard time not putting him on this list)
7 Rondo (insert flame here dude still drops trip dubs on the reg)
8 Parker (he's a magician. Better than westbrook? Tough to tell)
9 Westbrook (i heard this guy was athletic)
10 Melo (scrub but sadly one of the best offensive players in the league. plays 0 d though)

honorable mentions

Kyrie (he will be top 10 after next season)
George (He could be too)
Harden (his beard is #1)
Howard (best post defender in the game could swap for melo)
Love (rebounds anyone?)
Curry (he played alright in the playoffs i guess)
Noah (tenacious)

Over the Hill (but never forgotten)

Duncan (best pf of all time)
KG (in a class of his own)
Dirk (Best euro of all time?)
Pierce (I MISS YOU BOO)

Up and Coming (time will tell)
Wall (seems to be improving..i guess)
Jrue Holiday (are you actually a pg?)
Hibbert (Keep workin big man)
Lillard (impressive first year)
Davis (stay healthy plz)
Jeff Green (you mad aqua/remedy? ;D)


Overrated (and overpaid)
Blake (you can jump high? cool)
DWill (he's good but falls short to much in the playoffs)
Gay (gay)
Joe Johnson (the fortunes of a wing player in the nba)
Josh Smith (all that potential. lost.)
Amare (fire extinguisher)
Monta ellis (prb doesn't deserve to even be on this list)
Pau (just cuz he's a bitch)
This list goes on for about everyone else in the nba


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crazy if you think my list was in order lol
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DA GODS

1 Lebitch (hate him as a person gotta respect his game)
2 KD (dudes a freak)
3 Rose (pre injury mvp)
4 Kobe (one of the goats)
5 Paul (best pure pg in the game)
6 DWade (hard time putting him on this list, hard time not putting him on this list)
7 Rondo (insert flame here dude still drops trip dubs on the reg)
8 Parker (he's a magician. Better than westbrook? Tough to tell)
9 Westbrook (i heard this guy was athletic)
10 Melo (scrub but sadly one of the best offensive players in the league. plays 0 d though)

honorable mentions

Kyrie (he will be top 10 after next season)
George (He could be too)
Harden (his beard is #1)
Howard (best post defender in the game could swap for melo)
Love (rebounds anyone?)
Curry (he played alright in the playoffs i guess)
Noah (tenacious)

Over the Hill (but never forgotten)

Duncan (best pf of all time)
KG (in a class of his own)
Dirk (Best euro of all time?)
Pierce (I MISS YOU BOO)

Up and Coming (time will tell)
Wall (seems to be improving..i guess)
Jrue Holiday (are you actually a pg?)
Hibbert (Keep workin big man)
Lillard (impressive first year)
Davis (stay healthy plz)
Jeff Green (you mad aqua/remedy? ;D)


Overrated (and overpaid)
Blake (you can jump high? cool)
DWill (he's good but falls short to much in the playoffs)
Gay (gay)
Joe Johnson (the fortunes of a wing player in the nba)
Josh Smith (all that potential. lost.)
Amare (fire extinguisher)
Monta ellis (prb doesn't deserve to even be on this list)
Pau (just cuz he's a bitch)
This list goes on for about everyone else in the nba


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Why no honorable mention for Marc Gasol?

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Jul 31 2013, 04:11 PM
Why no honorable mention for Marc Gasol?
is he one of the top centers in the league? yes. is he one of the top ten players in the league? No way Jose
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I have him around Duncan's spot. His defensive anchor capabilities are not to be trifled with.

I can't see how you justify Rondo's inclusion in the top 10. Dude was comfortably in the 15-25 area.
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unless Kyrie improves a metric shit ton on defense he won't be top 10 either.
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With Knight, you're still looking for a true point guard. He's more likely to be a George Hill-type player if he can develop a bit defensively. He can shoot a little bit if its a set shot, not so much off the bounce, which is good because he's not going to give you a whole lot going to the rim.

Basically what remedy said + this = Knight in a nutshell

He's already Jennings level in terms of value to a team and he's still on a rookie contract and relatively young.


edit; and LOL at Gasol being a defensive anchor. Where was the anchor against Duncan in the WCF? The guy won the DPoY basically because he can hedge on a pick and roll and recover better than most top centers.
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DA GODS

1 Lebitch (hate him as a person gotta respect his game)
2 KD (dudes a freak)
3 Rose (pre injury mvp)
4 Kobe (one of the goats)
5 Paul (best pure pg in the game)
6 DWade (hard time putting him on this list, hard time not putting him on this list)
7 Rondo (insert flame here dude still drops trip dubs on the reg)
8 Parker (he's a magician. Better than westbrook? Tough to tell)
9 Westbrook (i heard this guy was athletic)
10 Melo (scrub but sadly one of the best offensive players in the league. plays 0 d though)

honorable mentions

Kyrie (he will be top 10 after next season)
George (He could be too)
Harden (his beard is #1)
Howard (best post defender in the game could swap for melo)
Love (rebounds anyone?)
Curry (he played alright in the playoffs i guess)
Noah (tenacious)

Over the Hill (but never forgotten)

Duncan (best pf of all time)
KG (in a class of his own)
Dirk (Best euro of all time?)
Pierce (I MISS YOU BOO)

Up and Coming (time will tell)
Wall (seems to be improving..i guess)
Jrue Holiday (are you actually a pg?)
Hibbert (Keep workin big man)
Lillard (impressive first year)
Davis (stay healthy plz)
Jeff Green (you mad aqua/remedy? ;D)


Overrated (and overpaid)
Blake (you can jump high? cool)
DWill (he's good but falls short to much in the playoffs)
Gay (gay)
Joe Johnson (the fortunes of a wing player in the nba)
Josh Smith (all that potential. lost.)
Amare (fire extinguisher)
Monta ellis (prb doesn't deserve to even be on this list)
Pau (just cuz he's a bitch)
This list goes on for about everyone else in the nba


lamarcus aldridge as honorable mention
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If Aldridge was on a better team (or if Roy and Oden didn't happen), we'd probably be talking about him in the top 10.
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IMO Aldridge isn't worthy of a top 10 mention. Good defensive instincts, offensive black hole. Shoots way too many jump shots, doesn't draw fouls well, and isn't a good rebounder. He's a good player don't get me wrong, but the guy hasn't made any real improvement on his offensive game besides getting the change to produce volume stats. Certainly not a guy you want to be giving the ball to for 18 shots a game.

his shot distribution is lol worthy: 74% jump, 21% close, 4% dunks, 2% tip ins (inside 26%)
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IMO Aldridge isn't worthy of a top 10 mention. Good defensive instincts, offensive black hole. Shoots way too many jump shots, doesn't draw fouls well, and isn't a good rebounder. He's a good player don't get me wrong, but the guy hasn't made any real improvement on his offensive game besides getting the change to produce volume stats. Certainly not a guy you want to be giving the ball to for 18 shots a game.

his shot distribution is lol worthy: 74% jump, 21% close, 4% dunks, 2% tip ins (inside 26%)
In all fairness, who else on Portland should be taking shots besides Lillard? Who was there to help him last year?
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Oh by all means Portland had no talent last year, especially on their bench. Still, if we're talking about top 10 players, we're talking about first options, the best of the best, or we're talking about great defensive players. LMA is neither. If he's your third option then you're probably alright with him taking 10 or 12 shots a game. If he's your second you're in trouble unless you have an extremely balanced scoring load or you have a transcendent player.
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I don't think he is top 10 at this point either..rather an honorable mention.
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i wouldn't put rondo at that spot. and idk bout u guys but i cant wait to see if ppl like parsons, barnes and leonard will b better for nxt season.
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i remember when the bucks would play them in the playoffs when they had ray allen, glenn robinson, and sam cassell, tmac would just wreck them dude, shit was so annoying
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i remember when the bucks would play them in the playoffs when they had ray allen, glenn robinson, and sam cassell, tmac would just wreck them dude, shit was so annoying
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i remember when the bucks would play them in the playoffs when they had ray allen, glenn robinson, and sam cassell, tmac would just wreck them dude, shit was so annoying
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but seriously..tmacs 13 points in like 30 seconds to beat the spurs has to be one of the best performances in nba history right?
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